So let me get this straight...Amway changed its name to Quixtar to get away from the stigma attached to "Amway", and now they're switching back to get away from the embarrassment of "Quixtar"?
What is funny to me is we are said to be brainwashed when who said they had the right information either. For all they know they could be the ones brain washed into working 40 years of their lives for chump change while business owners cash in on the lazy employee's who only have the aspiration to punch a time clock and complain in the break room about a government they voted into control. yeah who sounds brainwashed me beliving in myself and persuing my dreams of being financially independant of a job or them working a plan that statistics show 95% of those who work the 40 year plan end up dead,disabled,or broke. Wake up.
On the one hand, Quixtar's name change to Amway is more honest. On the other hand, it is going to absolutely kill IBOs' ability to sponsor.
I reluctantly joined Quixtar because I could honestly tell folks the affiliation between my organization and Alticor/Amway/Quixtar was pretty loose. I would have NEVER joined Amway, not in a million years.
And I would never work a Job in a million years. I have a wonderful business in Amway and the people I meet have alot of good to say about the business. I know my business has enabled me to give to charities i would have never been able to with a Job.
Glad you love Amway. I don't. I can't imagine too many Amway/Quixtar IBO's can make enough not to have a job. I'm sure the stats back me up on that, too.
Yeah and Shawn i am sure your boss backs you up on that too. Keep making him rich. like I told joe someone has to do it It just wont be me. Stats can only back you up because of the many Employee mindset individuals who thought they knew what they were doing in a business venture. Direct sales means that you sell directly to individuals, if you can't do that hug your time clock its all you got. I make a good proft just on sales and I have a duplicatable downline who loves to do the same. Sadly we represent probably the 3 percent of the individuals doing it the sucessful way. So enjoy your stats they are what keeps you at your Job although maybe not for long the way the economy is going and when it's time to jump ship you are going to sink.
Levy, I find it humorous that you assume I'm making my boss rich, inferring that I don't do quite well myself.
Dick DeVos, Jr.'s estimated net worth is $500 million and his dad's estimated net worth is over $3 billion. Meanwhile the typical Quixtar IBO makes about $130 month. I can earn that much in one phone call.
You can call it residual income if you like, but there's a helluva lot of "bucket carrying" before a nice downline gets built. And if you're in Amway, there's a lot of work keeping that downline from vanishing. Typical for direct marketing businesses is 4% retention. Outside of TEAM, Quixtar IBOs with other organizations had pretty rough retention numbers.
So your boss, the DeVoses, are making billions. Meanwhile you have to manage a downline to supposedly stay out of a "job."
I love how you Amway folks call spending time at meetings, showing plans, doing follow-ups and whatever else you do to hold your business together something other than "work" or a "job." You change the definitions to try to win the debate but you're fooling no one but yourselves. I've done it before. I had a decent sized downline. It was work. I speak from experience.
I'm truly glad for you that you have a successful business. I begrudge no one success, not even Amway. I just wish you Amway people would be more honest about the way things are.
But to my best abilities I am being honest. I run a sucessful Direct Sales business. I teach wholesale to retail to my downline and it has been sucessful. Prices are very competitive for the most part if not cheaper than other brands. I don't call this a job, and when you refer to "those Amway people" you are most likely missing me. because I run a business much unlike the typical statitical Amway that people on these blogs know. Anywhere you go if you work or do business someone is making money off you that is not my point. If i punch a timeclock I can only get per hour what my boss says. if I am in sales I determine how much I make. i like that better. Thanks.
Levi, I'm still confused as to whether or not you are an Amway IBO. It doesn't matter.
Don't be mistaken. I'm not against direct marketing businesses. In fact, I think quite highly of them. I've read Paul Zane Pilzer's and Robert Kiyosaki's books on direct sales/network marketing businesses (in general) and I like what they had to say.
I take issue only with a few things about that industry in general.
One, some direct selling/network marketing businesses have lousy pay systems. Quixtar pays too little for the work involved. That's why I no longer do it. I had to have a job and work selling the Quixtar system and I made pennies an hour from Quixtar. Pennies. It was a joke especially given the volume flowing through my business (from me down.)
Two, very few of those business have products that people want at good prices. Quixtar's pricing is horrible, or at least was. A few guys (Woodward and Brady) got kicked off the IBOIA board for, among other things, constantly nagging Quixtar to lower prices and/or increase pay to IBOs. Not all products sold by direct marketing/selling businesses are as poorly priced. A lot of former Quixtar people now sell Mona Vie and they are making more $$ doing it than they did with Quixtar.
Three, some of these direct selling/network marketing businesses do a piss-poor job of telling people how much work is involved. It's not residual income if you are working two jobs. I understand -- and have seen second hand -- that those businesses can give you residual income once downlines are built. That doesn't happen overnight. Building and maintaining a downline is a job. It's not punching a clock but it's still exchange of time for labor.
For me, being a Quixtar IBO was like having a second job, only I didn't get paid jack squat for it. I had a team built, too. It made no sense to keep busting my hump for pennies an hour, so I stopped.
If your business is thriving, great. I think your experience would be highly atypical for your industry if you're not working another "job."
well I for one have found that pricing in Amway is very competitive and only about 28% of them have been considered over priced. The work you talk about yes is work but i have found it to be no harder then having a paper route after work. Well if it is not for you thats fine but I have actually found a great income from it and did not work very hard. I built intrest in the concept and showed some great products in turn for their investment and i have a very sizeable team and enjoy the freedom from it. but i am a businessman at heart and love these types of businesses. could you tell me a bit more about this Mona Vie cause i see a potential for more income here so please let me know at mir_levi_age@hotmail.com Thanks sean
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You are brainwashed and all your information comes from quixtar who fabricated the information. Enjoy your cult
So let me get this straight...Amway changed its name to Quixtar to get away from the stigma attached to "Amway", and now they're switching back to get away from the embarrassment of "Quixtar"?
Good luck with that.
What is funny to me is we are said to be brainwashed when who said they had the right information either. For all they know they could be the ones brain washed into working 40 years of their lives for chump change while business owners cash in on the lazy employee's who only have the aspiration to punch a time clock and complain in the break room about a government they voted into control. yeah who sounds brainwashed me beliving in myself and persuing my dreams of being financially independant of a job or them working a plan that statistics show 95% of those who work the 40 year plan end up dead,disabled,or broke. Wake up.
On the one hand, Quixtar's name change to Amway is more honest. On the other hand, it is going to absolutely kill IBOs' ability to sponsor.
I reluctantly joined Quixtar because I could honestly tell folks the affiliation between my organization and Alticor/Amway/Quixtar was pretty loose. I would have NEVER joined Amway, not in a million years.
And I would never work a Job in a million years. I have a wonderful business in Amway and the people I meet have alot of good to say about the business. I know my business has enabled me to give to charities i would have never been able to with a Job.
Glad you love Amway. I don't. I can't imagine too many Amway/Quixtar IBO's can make enough not to have a job. I'm sure the stats back me up on that, too.
Yeah and Shawn i am sure your boss backs you up on that too. Keep making him rich. like I told joe someone has to do it It just wont be me. Stats can only back you up because of the many Employee mindset individuals who thought they knew what they were doing in a business venture. Direct sales means that you sell directly to individuals, if you can't do that hug your time clock its all you got. I make a good proft just on sales and I have a duplicatable downline who loves to do the same. Sadly we represent probably the 3 percent of the individuals doing it the sucessful way. So enjoy your stats they are what keeps you at your Job although maybe not for long the way the economy is going and when it's time to jump ship you are going to sink.
Levy, I find it humorous that you assume I'm making my boss rich, inferring that I don't do quite well myself.
Dick DeVos, Jr.'s estimated net worth is $500 million and his dad's estimated net worth is over $3 billion. Meanwhile the typical Quixtar IBO makes about $130 month. I can earn that much in one phone call.
You can call it residual income if you like, but there's a helluva lot of "bucket carrying" before a nice downline gets built. And if you're in Amway, there's a lot of work keeping that downline from vanishing. Typical for direct marketing businesses is 4% retention. Outside of TEAM, Quixtar IBOs with other organizations had pretty rough retention numbers.
So your boss, the DeVoses, are making billions. Meanwhile you have to manage a downline to supposedly stay out of a "job."
I love how you Amway folks call spending time at meetings, showing plans, doing follow-ups and whatever else you do to hold your business together something other than "work" or a "job." You change the definitions to try to win the debate but you're fooling no one but yourselves. I've done it before. I had a decent sized downline. It was work. I speak from experience.
I'm truly glad for you that you have a successful business. I begrudge no one success, not even Amway. I just wish you Amway people would be more honest about the way things are.
But to my best abilities I am being honest. I run a sucessful Direct Sales business. I teach wholesale to retail to my downline and it has been sucessful. Prices are very competitive for the most part if not cheaper than other brands. I don't call this a job, and when you refer to "those Amway people" you are most likely missing me. because I run a business much unlike the typical statitical Amway that people on these blogs know. Anywhere you go if you work or do business someone is making money off you that is not my point. If i punch a timeclock I can only get per hour what my boss says. if I am in sales I determine how much I make. i like that better. Thanks.
Levi, I'm still confused as to whether or not you are an Amway IBO. It doesn't matter.
Don't be mistaken. I'm not against direct marketing businesses. In fact, I think quite highly of them. I've read Paul Zane Pilzer's and Robert Kiyosaki's books on direct sales/network marketing businesses (in general) and I like what they had to say.
I take issue only with a few things about that industry in general.
One, some direct selling/network marketing businesses have lousy pay systems. Quixtar pays too little for the work involved. That's why I no longer do it. I had to have a job and work selling the Quixtar system and I made pennies an hour from Quixtar. Pennies. It was a joke especially given the volume flowing through my business (from me down.)
Two, very few of those business have products that people want at good prices. Quixtar's pricing is horrible, or at least was. A few guys (Woodward and Brady) got kicked off the IBOIA board for, among other things, constantly nagging Quixtar to lower prices and/or increase pay to IBOs. Not all products sold by direct marketing/selling businesses are as poorly priced. A lot of former Quixtar people now sell Mona Vie and they are making more $$ doing it than they did with Quixtar.
Three, some of these direct selling/network marketing businesses do a piss-poor job of telling people how much work is involved. It's not residual income if you are working two jobs. I understand -- and have seen second hand -- that those businesses can give you residual income once downlines are built. That doesn't happen overnight. Building and maintaining a downline is a job. It's not punching a clock but it's still exchange of time for labor.
For me, being a Quixtar IBO was like having a second job, only I didn't get paid jack squat for it. I had a team built, too. It made no sense to keep busting my hump for pennies an hour, so I stopped.
If your business is thriving, great. I think your experience would be highly atypical for your industry if you're not working another "job."
Sean, Intresting concerns.
well I for one have found that pricing in Amway is very competitive and only about 28% of them have been considered over priced. The work you talk about yes is work but i have found it to be no harder then having a paper route after work. Well if it is not for you thats fine but I have actually found a great income from it and did not work very hard. I built intrest in the concept and showed some great products in turn for their investment and i have a very sizeable team and enjoy the freedom from it. but i am a businessman at heart and love these types of businesses. could you tell me a bit more about this Mona Vie cause i see a potential for more income here so please let me know at mir_levi_age@hotmail.com Thanks sean
Check your email, Levi. Or just google "Mona Vie" or "mona vie orrin woodward". There is a lot of information out there.
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